Random Ramblings – TD Jakes, Mimes and Helping Yourself

Ok, this is a quick post – a little bit of live-blogging if you will. I’m sitting here at home watching in disbelief as TD Jakes promotes his new book, Reposition Yourself – Living Life Without Limits on TBN. First of all, he has four mimes complete with white face make-up, acting out his sermon in the background as he talks about breaking free of the bonds of mediocrity.

Yikes! And I thought Powerpoint presentations had great potential to divert our attention away from the word, Oh my! Four clowns making wild hand gestures and overly dramatic physical contortions to the tune of a Christian message cancels out the effectiveness of Bishop Jake’s usually compelling delivery. Welcome to the brave new world of self-defeating ministry, folks.

He’s promoting this book pretty heavily. The sermon he’s preaching is lifted from the book and he interrupts himself every few minutes to run a mini-infomercial giving us an inside flap style synopsis of the book’s contents. He says it’s about personal fulfilment that can be achieved by making small adjustments to your life that, oh by the way, you can only discover if you buy his book. He made a remark that God had given him fresh new perspectives that he is unveiling to the world so we can live the abundant life. The hair on the back of my neck rises every time I hear preachers using words such as ‘fresh’ and ‘new’ in the same sentence with ‘God’ and the ‘bible’.

And in an ‘Oh my goodness, no he didn’t’ moment, he actually spouted the old worn cliche’ ‘God helps those who helps themselves’ in the midst of his message! He even quotes the ‘faith without works is dead’ scripture in support of it. Does he have any inkling of what the grace of God really is? Can man help himself in any way in regards to salvation? Does God expect us to work our way to glory in our own strength? It is utter foolishness at best and rank heresy at worst to make this unsubstantiated claim as if it had any basis in scripture.

I’ve had enough, time to change the channel. If you are a fan of TD Jakes, may I humbly suggest you do the same.

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29 thoughts on “Random Ramblings – TD Jakes, Mimes and Helping Yourself

  1. I think before you become an expert on this, you might READ the BOOK ! Secondly, it was not a sermon nor was it meant to be…. In fact every word was right out of the book and you can’t appreciate it if you don’t read the context of the book……

    Thanks for your normally interesting perspectives but this was premature emasculation of a good man!

  2. David,
    I’ve read one of his books before – at least part of it. I couldn’t finish He-Motions because it read more like a Dr. Phil counseling session rather than a preacher sharing God’s word. From the ‘excerpt’ he revealed on TBN last night I’m convinced the content of this book will be little better.
    And I didn’t emasculate him, but perhaps de-mask-ulated him – if you will forgive my play on words. His agenda seems to be in exalting man which always comes at the cost of diminishing God. This is a much more serious error than most people realize.

  3. Well said Mr. Lucas, we don’t need anymore distraction from God’s word. That is why i don’t watch TBN anymore. Remember the time is at hand. God is going to shake it up to see what will stand. The only thing that will stand will be the true word of God.

  4. I am convinced much of the “church” has left their first love. The Bible is clear: “faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God”. If a preacher wants to write a book and promote it he certainly has the right, BUT it should NEVER be at the expense of the preached word. We need to be careful in our attempts to over emphasize ourself or any other man from the pulpit. If a Christian wants to sell his book let him do it at the bookstore, not from behind the sacred desk which should hold the sacred book from which he should preach from. I admit I have not watched this particular service with TD nor have I read his book. However I think these comments apply to all of us in this post modern culture.
    Thank you
    Pastor Brett Clements

  5. My darling has all but forbidden my watching TBN! LOL! Once I was sharing something from T.D. Jakes (you know silly women are easily tossed to and fro by the wiles of doctrine), and my darling just looked at me in disbelief. He then pulled out his Bible and showed me that it said *exactly opposite* of what T.D. Jakes had just said! YIKES!

    I guess I feel like the Word of God is convicting on its own and doesn’t need any gimmicks to draw people to love the LORD. (((((HUGS))))) sandi

  6. Brett,
    The ‘faith comes by hearing…’ scripture has become my battle cry in this war against modern evangelicalism. That is the God ordained means He has established to bring men into the kingdom. man preaches the pure word of God, and the Holy Spirit makes it alive in our hearts. It’s simple really.
    Not by clowns, not by mimes, but by my Spirit saith the Lord!

  7. Titus2woman,
    The only program I watch on TBN is ‘Way of The Master’. Little else is worth my time… that I’m aware of.

    You said, ‘I guess I feel like the Word of God is convicting on its own and doesn’t need any gimmicks to draw people to love the LORD’

    You have guessed wisely!

  8. Mimes? That’s just weird! It truly is the age of self-defeating ministry. 😛

    Sadly, there’s a lot of “God helps them who helps themselves” junk on TBN. I went to a church a few years ago that ended up becoming Purpose Driven and Seeker Sensitive, but it also picked up some Prosperity Gospel to boot. During that time of life, my father had just been diagnosed with a fatal, degenerative brain disorder. I’d known prosperity theology was wrong, but I’d never realized before my run-in with it just how hurtful even a small amount in a church can be. It’s too bad more people don’t turn their TV’s off when someone starts spewing it.

    ~Kelsey

  9. It is always easy to be a hero in a tea cup. As long as your blog invites those who think like you, a good amen is inevitable. In a blog that is circulated amongst your own, you get the joy of being fully endorsed.

    I continue to be amazed at the the generalizations and total condemnations you place on here. If we listen at any of you long enough we will pick out something you missed quoted or becomes controversial in some way. I know you think if you hadthe visbility you wuold strainten things out and get it right… But you are wrong, you would be hated too…. Anytime a minister shares anything other than chapter and verse, a self apointed watch dog bites him… Enjoy your meal boys and girls, but remember that is what they did with Christ too.. They attacked him for what they thought was heresy!

    How do you de-mask something that is in a book? It wasn’t hidden sir, it was in plain site.. What you did was opinionate something for which you have no scripture to support. No where in the word did it say that a minister must only speak scripture, only write theology, and never share conseling or lifeskilles. All of you that love people, do it too… But when you do it… I know it is God…. right? You never provide counseling. Hmmmmm I wonder what yoru church is like.

    If TD is wrong (and he may be on some issues,) you are too. You are not perfect either. I bet every word you deliver is right … isn’t it? You understand everything there is to know about God and you NEVER share your opinion on anything….. right? But then if you do, yours is always right…isn’t it?

    Recheck the blog and you will see that this is not true..You share your opinions like it is God’s word on people, condemn them as if God called you to do so…. And in this tea cup, your write in, I guess you are always right…..

    I am sorry for sounding arguimanative, I just miss the love of the saint and people who are fair and balanced. I miss people who mix criticsms with encouragement for the MANY THOUSANDS of people who have been fed and clothed and loved through these ministries that you attack with out any reservation at all…

    I wonder how many wells you dug in Africa,,, or how many battered women’s shelters you erected? I wonder how many people you helped throgh Katrina and even if you did all of these things why do you not mention ANY of them in the midst of your snide and critical remarks?

    Why do you only mention the self help messages and say nothing about the teachings on the blood that I have in my possesion by him… the rich truth of gospel in countless messages about the prodigal son and other things… Not a word, huh?

    Don’t you think that is odd if you are truly interested in truth…. why is it always so bias?

    Okay good night… I will leave you to your prophet roasting!

  10. QUOTE: “It is always easy to be a hero in a tea cup. As long as your blog invites those who think like you, a good amen is inevitable. In a blog that is circulated amongst your own, you get the joy of being fully endorsed.”

    My blog is open to the world, It’s certainly not a ‘by invitation only’ site. I get a good mix of visitors, and all are welcome to share their thoughts. I don’t blog for the accolades, but to stand for God’s truth.

    QUOTE: “Anytime a minister shares anything other than chapter and verse, a self apointed watch dog bites him… Enjoy your meal boys and girls, but remember that is what they did with Christ too.. They attacked him for what they thought was heresy!”

    If a minister shares anything that contradicts chapter and verse I am bound to speak against it. ‘God helps those who help themselves’ is contrary to the biblical gospel of grace. Mimes in a church service demonstrates poor confidence in the power of God’s word alone to transform lives. And please don’t draw parallels between Jesus Christ, our Lord and mere human ministers. Christ was not capable of speaking heresy, but we sure are.

    QUOTE: “No where in the word did it say that a minister must only speak scripture, only write theology, and never share conseling or lifeskilles.”

    I agree with this statement. Do you think my post suggests otherwise? There is a huge difference in psychological counseling versus biblical counseling. The foundation of the former is built on the sand, the latter on the rock.

    QUOTE: “And in this tea cup, your write in, I guess you are always right…..”

    I am often not right, but scripture is always right. It is my goal to rightly divide it by studying to show myself approved unto God.

    QUOTE: “I miss people who mix criticisms with encouragement for the MANY THOUSANDS of people who have been fed and clothed and loved through these ministries that you attack with out any reservation at all…”

    A little leaven leavens a whole lump. A little error can destroy all the good a minister preaches. Again, take Jakes’ ‘God helps those…’ comment. He can preach the blood atonement and God’s grace til he’s blue in the face but in the end he must declare salvation is clearly a human endeavor – if he’s consistent. Christ must have died simply to give man a plan B option, so he can help himself to attain salvation. This is a radical departure from the biblical concept of God’s grace, that while we were helpless, enslaved to sin, and without hope, God saved us to the uttermost by his power and compassion. Maybe my critique went a little too far, but that quote really raised my ire. I don’t understand how he said it with a straight face.

    QUOTE: “I wonder how many wells you dug in Africa,,, or how many battered women’s shelters you erected? I wonder how many people you helped throgh Katrina and even if you did all of these things why do you not mention ANY of them in the midst of your snide and critical remarks?”

    I guess if I were in a works based religion, I would need to perform all these acts in order to judge a minister’s teachings, but I thought this was Christianity, a faith not based on any self merit. The only requirement to judge error is scripture and the Spirit of God abiding in us, who imparts discernment to God’s people that we may divide truth from error.

    QUOTE: “Why do you only mention the self help messages and say nothing about the teachings on the blood that I have in my possesion by him”

    So, you admit that he teaches a self-help message. Does this square with the words of Christ who teaches self-denial and that apart from Him we can do nothing?

    QUOTE: “Don’t you think that is odd if you are truly interested in truth…. why is it always so bias?”

    Yes, I must admit my bias… against heresy. I just can’t help myself.

    In the final analysis I am not condemning TD Jakes as an apostate, but that he is teaching a heresy. I don’t watch him enough to know the full scope of his doctrine, but have been disappointed greatly from what I have read and heard from him. In an age where Christians are susceptible to the cult of personality complex; believing everything that comes out of their mouth is milk and honey, some honest, sometimes cutting commentary is necessary to help break people free of this powerful spell.
    We as believers must judge all things, clinging to the good and rejecting the bad.

  11. You said:
    ” I don’t watch him enough to know the full scope of his doctrine, but have been disappointed greatly from what I have read and heard from him.”

    I say:
    This little admission should be the catalyst to stop you a “self appointed” watch dog from judging an entire ministry from what little you have heard….. In some circles that would amount to gossip… The fact that it is written doesn’t make it factual. You will have things shared about you that are not accurate or only partially representative of who you are and what you believe.

    As you know from your apprant love of scriptures that isolating a few statements without weighing the whole destroys the premise of effective truth….Any scripture taken out of context can lead to error. If that is true about scripture taking small statement about HUGE minsitries without balance is error also sir…

    How dare you say what he is teaching as if you know what he is teaching… What you know is snippets and phrases that are placed together to leave impressions and play on the fears of ministries like yours….

    I guarantee you that I can take phrases from you or anyone and create whatever truth I wanted to and start a blog about you…….

    I know this will never end as you will always have the last say, it is your blog… but I just wanted to speak up as it is a “tea cup ” that you are writing from…. You say your blog is open to the world but trust me the world is not reading it…

    I know this because of the comments that flow in… If you think that the whole world is reading you and agreeing with you … you are not aware of how vast the opinions of the world at large. Now I know that this is not about the opinioons of the world but truth…..I only raise this to further to develop that you are writing in a vacuum to people who largely respect you and think like you… The faith communityis vast and like most people you think of all the ideas that exist about God… yours are God’s truth and all others are WRONG..

    But if God judges you, the way you judge others, you may need a water fountain in eternity!

    If a little leaven leavens the whole lump ( Incidently you took that text out of context) we are not talking about sin here… We are taking about scriptural error… and if that was true about scriptural error than none of us would have effective minstries because none of us hold the entire mystery of who God is and we all have had to correct something that we taught….if that is true, than does everything you did right not count? Error is different from sin because error can be ignorance or lack of revelations..or it could be that you don’t know quite everything about Jakes what he preaches or about GOD either for that matter! But anway, I suppose you are permitted to twist some scriture to prove your point.. Hmmmm……

    Incidently, you mention these men being irresponsible with their influence and people taking everything they say to be factual… and then you admit that you have not thoroughly reviewed all of his sermons and yet there are many people who will take what you say at face value too… You will have to give an account for every word and every new convert who stumbles over what you say on this blog sir….. You think this is right???

    I apologize for seeming argumentative… I will not continue down this path.. It is just that this self righteous arrogance, hidden beneath the guise of godliness is what is causing so many people to leave church….

    People are not leaving the Christain church because they don’t understand the godhead or do not explain it like you do… They are leaving the church because they are tired of the lack of love, compassion, and humlity that is as corrosive as battery acid! They are leaving because if the many Pharisees who seem to love principles more than people and have a form of godliness but lack the love and compassion to really be effective at being Christ like…..It is all over the pulpit and our ministries are being headed by people who spend more time fighting other mimisters than they do crime, evil, murder or rape…. Like parents who argue in front of children, the church has damaged its young while trying to prove who knows the most and the least about God.

    Go ahead… say what you want… the man is a good man and God has used him mightily in psite of the vicious things you spew… You don’t even know him… but you are now an expert on him, his theology and what is wrong with him…

    Somewhere in your heart…. you have to have some inner voice that convicts you of this arrogance…. Somewhere in you… you have to know that fighting other ministers is not REALLY a ministry! Sir, you cannot have truth without all the facts and you have admitted that you do not have them but you place blog after blog… filled with criticisms. This is so sad.

    Be not deceived God is not mocked… you will reap this in your own church and life… I know you will have endless rebuttles… I am finished with this… I just wanted to warn you while you warn everyone else… TD Jakes may not be the only one who has some error to correct!

    Regards

    David

  12. One more thing… If Jesus used parables to teach… If we teach children with puppets… If we have Easter plays ,and the Passion of the Christ ( you do know they were just acting out the word too) What SCRIPTURE do you have for Jakes mimes and it being wrong? When did the bible say that power points were wrong… All of that is just your preference….. What Scripure do you have to justify attacking a man of God who won more with mimes to Christ than many of you who attack it…….That’s right, NOT ONE! But who cares about facts… lets just attack.

    Just mean spirited… It is amazing!

  13. It appears I have hit some kind of nerve with you. I don’t think it would not be much of a stretch to say you are a fan of Jakes. I just pray you are not another victim of the cult of personality. Because we admire and respect someone does not mean they are always right or that we should blindly follow them wherever they lead us. I learned this lesson the hard way. The scripture is our compass.
    Again, I must reiterate I am not condemning Jakes’ ministry as a whole, but I believe having watched the entirety of his sermon, that is enough of a context to discern the content therein.
    Is “God helps those who helps themselves’ found in the bible? Why is he teaching it then? In fact, It strikes a thunderous blow against the very definition of the grace of God. Is this not serious enough an issue to comment on? Should we all be silent like sheep and allow error to go unchecked? Is that scriptural? Is misrepresenting God by teaching error not sin? I’m sorry if I came across as too harsh in my criticism, but I will have to account to God for my silence as well as for my words. TD Jakes may well be a good man, but his teachings that evening fell short.

    Do you have any scriptures supporting the use of mimes? Do you have a biblical examples of Jesus or the apostles using dramatic presentations to usher men into the kingdom? The foolishness of preaching transforms people, not man-made entertainment. If the power of the Spirit through the spoken word changes people, all other accompaniments can only serve to distract and take away from it. We need to have more confidence in God to move through the Holy Spirit.
    I’m sorry you think I’m mean spirited. To be honest, I’m itching to start posting theological, God-glorifying articles again to restore some balance to my blog. As soon as I finish my current series I plan to do so.

    • Beaconlight and David…go to your corners…lol What is your purpose? To point out the wrong or bring the lost to Christ???? Let’s focus on salvation. The world is so corrupt, one has to be creative at times to get the attention of the lost generation. We use analogies and props daily simply because we have diverse learners….We have visual, audio and hands on learning and if we forget that, we elminate a whole generation of souls we should be concerned about. You do not compromise the word AT ALL, add to or take away from it; however, creativity to get it across such as Christmas plays, gospel songs, etc…The light bulb went off in my 12 year olds head the day the Pastor talked about God giving his only begotten son. Now she’s heard it several times but he created a visual, he actually explained what was going to happen and asked a lady in the congregation to give him her son….she did not but tears streamed down her eyes and I looked over and my daughter was also crying…it was then that she understood the intensity of sacrifice…..so I don’t care what you THINK about creativity to bring the word to life…Testimony is more real than any opinion you can post….He’s not a God of confusion but man has made it a world of conflict and the challenge is to decide what your purpose is and drive in that direction….be careful of the spirits you allow into your life but be careful about your own presentation…it is to always be in love because you don’t know who’s life you are saving or destroying. It’s blogs like these that I’m not sure is a lesson or a gossip column…and if I were seeking, I’d be confused, discouraged and possibly give up….Love, love, love and pray for the lost that they may find their way…Have a wonderful evening~

  14. You said:

    Do you have any scriptures supporting the use of mimes? Do you have a biblical examples of Jesus or the apostles using dramatic presentations to usher men into the kingdom? The foolishness of preaching transforms people, not man-made entertainment. If the power of the Spirit through the spoken word changes people, all other accompaniments can only serve to distract and take away from it. We need to have more confidence in God to move through the Holy Spirit.

    I say:

    Here lies the problem… I do not have ANY scripture supporting mimes no more than you do that say it is wrong… Did Jesus use them? No! But Jesus didn’t use a computer either. This is the argument that some use not to have music in the New testament church. We don’t see that either and they say it is distracting to have it. Maybe you agree with that too…. But by that rational we shouldn’t have many of the things that we like and use. Jesus didn’t use a bus ministry and he didn’t use tracks to win people…….when you could just talk to them as the power of winning souls requires wisdom and personal testimony….He wasn’t on TV at all or radio. Oh that is right, they didn’t have that then. 😉

    My point is, this is your opinion. In the black church they have music under the preaching. Some find that distracting , some do not. Sir, some people find mime a great tool for reaching all types of people. EVERYBODY doesn’t feel the way you do. I saw that message and like the people who sat there and wept and like the people who came to Christ at the end, I found it inspirational and creative. I am not a Jakes fan. I am a fan of fairness. The fact that I was touched doesn’t mean that I am blind follower of Jakes nomore than the fact that you were not means that you are a vicious enemy of Jakes. We are just tow different people who saw the same thing and reacted totally differently. That is what makes the world unique and creative. It was what makes us have the rightto choose diferent clothes, menus and yes even churches!

    And I beleive that where the bible is silent, maybe we should let people reach people in the way that works for them. You didn’t adresss my examples of puppets in children’s ministries, or using any aid for learning has been effective in many settings. Maybe you do not have in your congregation the need to see your people grow and develop economically, or socially. And when there is such a need, there are countless institutions that address that.However in the black community church means something different culturally. The expectation is different. That doesn’t give liscense to alter scripture or pollute the word but it does give you some answer as to why a Pastor talkes on issues that seem so out of step to you.

    The Black church addressed civil rights, started schools in the basements, registered people to vote, and are fighting a completelly different set of issues for which you may not be familair or feel that it is the pastor’s job to motivate. But if you love people, you help them. Does Jakes preach or any clergymen preach against sin and teach the plain gospel? Yes but this is a different series aimed at a different set of propblems that you may not see or care to deal with. You do not have the same set of poblems that requires motivating people who have been oppressed and I do not want to take on this ( cultural dynamic) as it is another subject all together. but motivation isn’t needed where you lead people who have superior incomes, housing,education and many other things. And if culture doesn’t dictate aproach then why is the book of Hebrews slanted so differently in its scope from the book of Romans?

    No the bible doesn’t say that “God helps those who helo themselves” and the tape didn’t say that the bible said that… But the statement is on some level true… God doesn’t bathe us by grace… or send us on an interview by his grace. He doesn’t get us out of debt by prayer alone. I have worked in the inner city, please do not think that all ministry is the same.

    Does mime help get the message over. Maybe, mabe not. But the message of pulling yourself up is a necesary one, even if you don’t think so. I realize I have started to sound argumentative. I will not do that anymore. But what is distracting to you has been effective in teaching at schools, and in universities, and maybe, just maybe, it might be effective here.

    I am just suggesting since i have no scripture that says thou shall use mimes and you have no scripture that clearly says thou shall not use mimes, could it be possible that there are more important things to sound off about. But then this is your blog and you can sound off about whatever you like. I just wanted to excercise my right of free speech and say there are people out there who enjoy his ministry and resent the easy sweep generalizations that are made by spectators who may not be in the trenches with us. Like the 30 thousand people who attend there and the countless others who do watch on TV. Some Sundays it grabs me. Some times it doesn’t. But I guess that might be rtue of people in your church too.

    It may be right for you not to have mimes, but to impose it on the entire body of Christ because that is how you feel isn’t right. Especially as it sounded like it was some grave sin that had been commited. It just bothered me.

    I apologize for being so windy. And I look forward to reading some of your other post.

    David

  15. Just a couple of quick comments before moving on.
    Your post shows we differ fundamentally on several issues. Sola Gratia and Sola Fide for starters.
    You said “No the bible doesn’t say that “God helps those who helo themselves” and the tape didn’t say that the bible said that… But the statement is on some level true… God doesn’t bathe us by grace… or send us on an interview by his grace. He doesn’t get us out of debt by prayer alone.”
    We are saved by grace alone through faith alone and that not even of ourselves, it all is the gift of God. Sanctification also is a work of grace. The Holy Spirit must empower us all the way to the finish line. We must never forget that.
    You sound quite pragmatic when you say, “And I beleive that where the bible is silent, maybe we should let people reach people in the way that works for them.” The problem here is the bible has given us the message and the method to convey it. Our methods cannot improve upon God’s chosen means. Pragmatism has given birth to many destructive practices in our Megachurches and in our mini Megachurches. All in the name of ‘whatever works’. The ends do not justify the means in God’s economy. Culture may indeed influence our approach, but we must all weave our message to the same end, Jesus Christ died to save sinners. It is not a cultural or social message, It is transcendent, reaching into the heart of every person, convicting them of guilt and bringing them to the feet of the Savior in utter humility.

  16. Mr. Thomas,

    It’s still “ENTERTAINMENT”, nothing wrong with it, except theres a time and a place for it.
    Jakes needs to sale hi books, and what better platform then your own t.v. show.
    Hey I understand, but when you use your own book to bring a message then I have to ask what is it that you have to say thats more important then the word of God. The disciples and the Apostles never did this kind of stuff. Wow! Everybody wants to be a star!

  17. Many people got saved off the message you dispised… maybe even more than what you won that sunday going yoru way.. I know some would rather doubt the conversion than think that people get saved from movies, plays and yes even mimes! The above statement from Deb seemed totally one dimensional …… I didn’t say it was more important than the word of God… but if the gospel is all we have to say.. don’t ever advise anyone of anything else other than the gospel and you won’t be hypocritical. But if you advise them in any way other than the gospel you will have answered your own question…

    Now some will say that Christian television should only deal with the gospel… but anyone who watched it would know that it has doctors giving health tips etc… and I gather from the comments on here you don’t like Christian Television… well honestly, some of itt I don’t either… But like all TV, it serves diverse people who obviously enjoy some thinga that I do not……. People teaching excercise and much more. You knnow why… we are more than church people…. We are also people with diverse interest and the fact that we have other interest doesn’t make us less than you…. maybe just different. I will be glad when those non Charismatics who seem to hate all that Christian TV is…. will finally get one of their many failed attempts at showing other Christians what Christian TV should be like… to work.. So far all of them have failed miserably… Including the SBC’s aattempt at Christiian TV… why sream at the darkness, just light a candle!

    Okay, I am finished this time for real.. ( I think 😉 Thanks for allowing me to have my say, even though you don’t agree and that is fine… I just wanted you to know that MILLIONS of people disagree with you… buy the books, get saved from the sermons and enjoy the creative things you don’t…. Believe it or not, they love God and to the surprise of sime of you, will be in heaven too…..

    Now we see through a glass darkly….. but even with shades on I know that Christians are not monolythic, they weren’t in the arly church and they are not now…Hense so many denominations…… I sure do wish we could love one another more…

    Sorry for the crazy, zainy, expectations,

    Take care my fellow soldeirs!

    DLT

  18. Just because I dont agree with the way Jakes is marketing his book, has nothing to do with me not loving him or anybody. The man has to sale his book, I’m sure as he teaches from it, almost everybody in the audience has one.

  19. David Thomas,
    Very well said ! I think it’s time we stop trying to keep God in a box… he made made us in his image and from the look all around us, he’s very creative. Christianity is the only religion that is so divided… no wonder why we can’t stand. It’s hard being a christian today because you have people who are not, telling you how to be one and those who are telling you how to be one. This christian walk is like walking on a tight rope, you can’t lean to the legalistic side, nor to the liberal side. The only way to walk it is to do as the bible says “worry about the beam pole in our own eye” or we just might trip and have to have one of THOSE people (critical) help us up.
    Also we fail to realize that sites and comments like these only help to bring down the body of Christ. We should be fighting with each other not against. Outsiders laugh at our division, because we’re destroying ourselves.
    PONDER: The kingdom of darkness are not divided; they know the power of unity. So what if someone listens to christian rap or prays for 10 minutes or what ever… if God is in us, then we should see what he sees…the heart!

  20. I watched the broadcast – and I was impacted. While you can preach Christ to unbelievers, seasoned christians need other methods to encourage change. Paul wrote the epistles. TD Jakes thinks of new ways to inspire christian living. Has anyone who have made previously comments, impact a tenth of the people that TD Jakes has impacted?

  21. It seems that people are soooo very judgemental. I witness people coming to Christ when I mime even without music or a sermon. So are you saying that those individuals are NOT saved because of the WAY in which they gave their life to the Lord? It’s amazing how things that are done differently are criticized!! Please don’t forget that jesus used parables all the time. The most important thing is that souls were saved. You are totally missing the true essence of why we are here. When God speaks to me and send me out to mime, I go. If yo have an issue with that, you have an issue with the Father. Just do your part in the way God gives it to YOU!

  22. Bizzare. Discernment is a vital tool of defense for the Christian; we don’t accept everyone who comes, naming the name of our Savior. We test everything, with the pronouncec blessing of that very Savior.

    In the end, it’s more loving to fight, contend for the truth; than it is to sit passively while wolves in disguise devour the purity of the gospel….the gospel which, by the by, not only saves, but santifies. Seasoned Christians are in just as much need for the gospel, as unbelievers. The Spirit simply applies it differently, according to each one’s need.

    This isn’t very complicated stuff.

  23. First of all I want to say there are many ways of spreading the gospel and miming is one of them. In the body of Christ, there is the head, the eye , the nose not every one can be the eye, just the same way not everyone should share the faith through preaching only.

    However, this does not justify going against the word of God. “God helps us when we humble ourselves and seek his help”. Not the way Jakes implied that God helps those who help themselves

  24. There are too many people trying to make $$$$ on God’s word.
    Whether they can make a buck blatantly slamming Christianity or doing it subtlely. Rick Warren’s PD books are just one big marketing scheme that never end. There is the never ending T shirts, book markers, lazy prepared sermons, bumper stickers, etc.

    I know its a bit off subject, but there is a guy who has a theory about Abe Lincoln suffering from some sort of cancer and they want to exhume his body. Turns out the guy is trying to pump his three books on the subject.

    No doubt that if Jesus had not risen from the dead and there was a body available, they would be digging that up to prove some wacky theory and sell a lot of books and T shirts.

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